EPISODE 6

A Conversation with Dr. Louise Hayes: Integrating Buddhist Wisdom into Therapeutic Practice (Part 1)

In Episode 6 of The Practitioner’s Heart Podcast, Poh Gan welcomes Dr. Louise Hayes, a respected psychologist whose work in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy has shaped how many clinicians support young people. This episode explores how Buddhist wisdom and psychological practice intersect to support both personal and professional sustainability.

Setting the Stage

Poh opens the episode by reflecting on the vulnerability of recording the podcast’s first interview and the sense of ease that emerged through conversation. This episode is the first of a two-part dialogue, focusing on Louise’s personal relationship with Buddhism and psychology, and how these practices continue to nourish her life and work.

The Journey Into Buddhism and Psychology

Louise shares her unconventional path into psychology, beginning with a background in retail and philosophy. Her early interest in Eastern thought eventually led her to Buddhism, which became a living practice rather than an abstract idea—especially after witnessing Buddhist culture woven into everyday life during her time in the Himalayas.

Integrating Ancient Practices with Modern Therapy

Throughout the conversation, Louise reflects on how Buddhist principles—presence, interconnectedness, and letting go—inform her therapeutic work. Together, Poh and Louise explore how these teachings deepen attunement to both the therapist’s inner world and the client’s lived experience.

The Value of Presence and Mindfulness

For Louise, presence extends beyond formal meditation into daily life. While contemporary therapies such as ACT echo many Buddhist principles, she highlights how Buddhist practice offers additional depth in understanding the nature of mind, suffering, and human experience.

The Role of Self-Discovery and Letting Go

Louise speaks openly about releasing the pursuit of external validation and allowing space for vulnerability. Through both psychology and Buddhist practice, therapists can develop a more integrated sense of self—one not solely defined by professional roles or achievements.

Close of the Conversation and Moving Forward

As the episode closes, Poh invites listeners to reflect on presence, letting go, and ongoing practice. Whether through meditation or mindful engagement with daily life, these practices support both personal wellbeing and ethical, compassionate clinical work.

Final Thoughts

This conversation offers a thoughtful exploration of how Buddhist wisdom and psychological practice can enrich one another. By cultivating presence and releasing rigid self-concepts, therapists may find greater authenticity, clarity, and compassion in their work.

Stay Tuned

Part 2 of this conversation continues in the next episode, where Louise shares deeper clinical insights and practical wisdom for supporting young people while sustaining practitioner wellbeing.